PO Box 21203, Seattle, WA 98111-3203
month, Mature Friends publishes a member newsletter with updates on our
activities such as: • traveling
(both locally and internationally), • attending arts events, • playing
bridge or pinochle,• reading and discussing books, • making
investments, • touring gardens, • taking walks and going on
hikes, • choosing among
options for dinners and lunches, • cooking, • and tasting fine
from around the world including our own Washington state. The same
newsletter information is included here but without member contact
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Eating Date and Time Location Lunch Out 🍴 Wed., Sept. 11 and 25, at
12:00 noon - note new location
Jimmy's [on Broadway, Silver Cloud Hotel] Dinner Out 🍴
First Tuesday [NEW] –>
Third Tuesday –>
Tues., Sept. 3, at 6:30 p.m.
Tues., Sept. 17, at 6:00 p.m.
Palermo’s on Capitol Hill, 350 15th Avenue East.
Robb’s 125th Street Grill
Monthly Potluck 🍴
Sat., Sept. 28, at 6:00 p.m.
Wallingford Community Senior Center Wine Tasting
Sat. at 3:30 p.m. –special day/time
In members’ homes. Bring sides or dessert
instead of wine; see newsletter.
Dinner for Six 🍴 Determined by participants In members’ homes
Annual Banquet 🍴
Sat., June TBD, 2020
Cocktails at 6:00 p.m.
Dinner at 7:00 p.m.
Women’s University Club
Annual Picnic 🌭
Sat., Aug. TBD, 2020
Christmas Lunch 🎄
Sat., Dec. 14
Cocktails at 11:30 a.m.
Lunch at 1:15 p.m.
Robb’s 125th Street Grill
Reservations must be received by Dec. 11.
See Newsletter for reservation form.
Playing Date and Time Location Bridge Club1 🃏 Every Wed. at 7:00 p.m. Wallingford Community Senior Center
Pinochle Club2 🃏 Wed., Sept. 4 and 18, at 7:00 p.m.
Wallingford Community Senior Center
Green Lake Walk 🌳 Every Wed. at 11:00 a.m.
S.W. Corner of Green Lake at tree #51 on map
(Afterwards, lunch at the Blue Star Cafe and Pub.)
A Better Club for Investing 📈 Sun., TBD, at 5:00 p.m.
Members, contact club leader for location;
See newsletter for contact information.
Book Club 📖 Tue, Sept 24, at 7:30 p.m.
Boy Erased: A Memoir of Identity, Faith, and Family by Garrard Conley
See member newsletter for location.
Board Meeting 📓 Mon., Sept . 9, at 7:00 p.m.
In a board member’s home
Walk/Hike 🚶 Tue., Sept. 17, at 9:30 a.m. Old Saulk River Trail See newsletter for more.
Garden Tour 🌺
Thu., Sept. 19, at 10:30 a.m.
Point Defiance Zoo.
See newsletter for additional info.
Theater, Music 🎭 Dates and Details below
SIFF 2019 and Fifth Annual Shakespeare
Festival, Ashland, OR., and more....
Scarecrow Screenings 🎭 Sun., Sept. 15, at 3:00 p.m. Dangerous Living, directed by John Scagliotti.
Oddball Outing Fri., Sept. 13, at 11:00 a.m.
North Capitol Hill Walk.
See newsletter for more.
Travel and Events ✈️ Various trips, foreign and U.S.
Check our destinations
1 The fee for Bridge Club is $4.00 per night for members (who pay an annual fee of $40.00 to join the club) and $5.00 for nonmembers.
2 The fee for Pinochle is $4.00 per night for members and for nonmembers.
On the last Saturday of the month, the membership meets for a big potluck at the Wallingford Community Senior Center.
Each member is assigned a type of dish to bring based on the initial of their last name.
If you bring a vegan or vegetarian dish, please label it as such.
Plan for all dishes to serve 6-to-8 people.
Dish to Bring Initial of Last Name Appetizer1 C, F, G, H, R, W
D, K, M, N, P, V, Z
A, B, E
I, J, O, S, T
1 For those assigned to bring an appetizer, please arrive early.
NOTE: Food to bring to the annual August picnic is assigned the same as the potluck.
Once a month, our hike leader takes a group on a day hike through some beautiful territory. If the hike leads the group out of town and you share a ride, expect to chip in $5.00 or $10.00, depending on the distance, to the driver for gas. Also, the group sometimes brown bags it for lunch along the trail. Other than that, this activity is an invigorating, frugal day’s entertainment!
So why not join us on the next hike?
September Hike: Old Saulk River TrailOur September hike will be along the Old Sauk River Trail, a little way south of Darrington, Washington. The trail hugs the riverbank of the strikingly beautiful Sauk River for three virtually flat miles. The trail begins in a thick stand of mature forest. Despite logging in the 1930s, many old-growth Douglas firs still stand. A thick layer of moss covers the ground and hangs from trees in places.
After a mile or so we cross a bridge over a small creek, and continue alongside the churning Sauk through attractive woods. In September there will be fall leaves in this part of the trail where there are more broad leaf trees. There are several places with views of the river that could serve as our lunch spot.
To facilitate carpooling we will meet on Tuesday, September 17, at 9:30 a.m. near the Bank of America at the north entrance of Northgate, just off Northgate Way. Car-pool riders share the cost of the mileage. Bring a lunch, and drinking water. Forest pass or Senior (Golden Age) pass required at the trailhead. We will get back to Northgate by 5:00 p.m.
If you wish to go directly to the trail head:
- From I-5 take exit 208 to Hwy 530, signed for Arlington/Darrington.
- Drive Hwy 530 to Darrington.
- At the 'T' intersection in Darrington, turn right onto the Mountain Loop Highway.
- Turn left into the parking lot 3.6 miles from the intersection in Darrington.
August Hike was Skookum Flats TrailOur August hike took us along the Skookum Flats Trail, adjacent to the White River, near Greenwater, Washington. As the name suggests, Skookum Flats involves little in the way of elevation gain, taking us on a gentle tour through old-growth forest, past mossy rocks and fallen trees, with plenty of river views.
“Skookum” is a popular adjective in Chinook jargon. It can mean many different things depending on the context, though it is usually positive, associated with strength and power. There is a waterfall on Skookum Creek, about two miles from the trail head, which may be where the name Skookum came from.
Dave, Brian, Garry, Ramon, Ron, and Dale on the Skookum Flats Trail
Snapshots from Some of Our Previous Hikes
Our hikers posed with beautiful backdrops from some of our past treks. The following pictures show some examples.
David, Dale, Garry, Chris, and Steve on the Baker River Trail
Dale, Garry, David, Keith, Stephen, and Lee at Mima Mounds
Dale, Garry, Jerry, Brian, and Duane Hiking in Seward Park
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This wildly popular activity takes you on tours of beautiful gardens in the Seattle and greater Seattle area. if you like plants and gardens or if you’re just interested to learn a little about horticulture, come join us!
September: Point Defiance Zoo Guided Garden TourOn Thursday, September 19, Mature Friends will tour the grounds of the Point Defiance Zoo. The tour will be led by their horticulturalist Bryon Jones on a one-hour tour. He also led the last Mature Friends tour there five years ago and is eager to show us the garden again.
We will probably meet at 10:30 a.m. at Pacific Rim Plaza, just inside the Zoo front gate.
The Zoo gardens feature:
The garden is home to hundreds of varieties of plants from decorative to functional. Zookeepers use some of the plant growth, such as banana leaves and bamboo shoots, as food or skill-building tools for the animals. The plants also create a stunning botanical paradise.
5400 N. Pearl St.
Tacoma, Washington 98407
Directions to the Zoo:
- From I-5 North or South, take exit 132 (Highway 16 West).
- Exit Highway 16 at 6th Avenue (Exit 3),
- Continue to the second stoplight and turn right on to Pearl Street (WA 163).
- Follow Pearl Street into Point Defiance Park. Directional signs will lead you to the Zoo's free parking lots.
Cost: Adult $19, 65+ $18.
There are hills involved so mobility may be an issue for some. They do offer motorized scooters for rent $35.00 and wheelchairs for $10.00 each. For additional information or carpooling help, email or call Barry B. See newsletter for contact information.
NOTE: We need to have a final count by September 11.
August Tour was Elandan Gardens
On August 15, thirteen Mature Friends visited the Elandan Gardens on the Kitsap Peninsula.
The six-acre garden on the shore of Sinclair Inlet is internationally known for its bonsai collection and the work of master bonsai artist Dan Robinson, father of the American School of Bonsai. Many trees in the collection date back to between 900 and 1500 A.D. (mountain hemlock) with the oldest tree in the collection dated to 300 B.C., using electron microscope technology to count the tree rings.
Some Bonzai Near the Waterfront
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Wine TastingThis every-other-month activity is hosted in a Mature Friends member’s home. The newsletter gives the location and wines to be tasted. RSVP to Ed K. (see newsletter for contact information).
September: Special hosted TastingSaturday September 21, 3:30 p.m., Larry G. and Rodger H. will provide the group with wine from their cellar and grilled sausages from a specialty butcher. Quite generous! We are asked to bring a side dish or dessert instead of wine.
Please contact Ed K. if you plan to attend and, if possible, ride share. See the newsletter for more information.
—Ed K., Wine Tasting Organizer
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Oddball OutingThis once-a-month activity that began in 2017, takes us on day trips and activities around the town or to locations nearby. The newsletter gives the location and time. Many events require an RSVP to Jerry P. See newsletter for contact information.
September Outing: North Capitol Hill Walk
September will take us on a walk on north Capitol Hill, compliments of the wonderful book Seattle Walks. We will start in front of the Volunteer Park Conservatory. We'll head from there to Louisa Boren Park with its wonderful views of Lake Washington, and then explore the renowned Lake View Cemetery and pay respects to Bruce Lee’s and other graves. Then we will walk through the Belmont-Harvard Historic district west of the cemetery where we will admire numerous mansions built by wealthy Seattleites in the city’s early days and learn about Seattle’s history along the way. We’ll end up along “Millionaire’s Row” on 14th Avenue East as we return to Volunteer Park. Those who wish to may then find a spot for lunch on 15th Avenue afterward.
We will meet at the Volunteer Park Conservatory at 11:00 a.m. on Friday, September 13. Maps with highlights along the route will be provided.
No reservations are necessary, but I would like to get an idea of how many might show up. Please contact Jerry P. See the newsletter for contact information.
—Jerry P., Oddball Organizer
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Travel and EventsThis section is about upcoming or recent trips planned for Mature Friends. Everybody who has gone on one of these trips has had a great time and was well taken care of. So, what are you waiting for? Sign up and join the fun!
NOTE: To travel with us, you must first join the club.
Travel Options in 2020Our travel coordinator has propsed two trips for 2020, but will chose only one, based on how many members are interested.
- Sicily's Ancient Landscape and Timeless Traditons
- Ancient Kingdoms: Tailand, Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam
Sicily's Ancient Landscape and Timeless Traditons
On this Sicily travel experience, you'll discover an Italian island with more than 3,000 years of history. Once home to a Greek colony, a Roman province, an Arab emirate, a Norman kingdom, and more, traces of ancient conquerors can still be found in Sicily’s well-preserved ruins, elegant architecture, and gastronomic delights.
And thanks to our expert Trip Leader and small group size— just 8 – 16 travelers, you can go behind the scenes and off the beaten path, where you’ll discover authentic cultural experiences with the friendly, fiercely proud Sicilian people. Zip along Modica’s narrow streets in an iconic, vintage Fiat 500; spend the night in an agriturismo, a traditional Sicilian farmhouse; and even sit down to a home-cooked meal with a farming family in the pastoral Sicilian countryside. Plus, with an additional night in seaside Catania, you have even more time to immerse yourself in Sicily’s landscapes, history, and culture. The island beckons ... so bring an open mind, a spirit of adventure, and a hearty appetite.
You can find more information at Overseas Adventure Travel.
DATES: June 12 – 27, 2020
- Tour: $4295
- Airfare from SEA: $1600,Ancient Kingdoms: Tailand, Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam
Ancient Kingdoms: Tailand, Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam
Veer off Southeast Asia’s trodden paths to uncover the glory days of lost empires, and immerse yourself in the vibrant cultures that have emerged in their wakes. Traveling the Indochina peninsula through Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam, you’ll connect with locals who will share their homes, markets, and schools with you. In our small group, we'll slip into daily life in Southeast Asia for A Day in the Life of a Laotian village, where we'll meet young schoolchildren and Hmong villagers. Get a glimpse into the future of the region during a visit to a local school; absorb the quiet tranquility of the early morning as you participate in an alms-giving ceremony with local monks; and truly get a taste of local life here when you join a Laotian family for a meal in their home. Behold temples and shrines devoted to Buddhist, Hindu, and animist worship; romantic remnants of French colonial architecture; and gilded palaces that were once graced by royalty. From the grandeur of Angkor Wat’s temples to the simplicity of life along the Mekong River, it’s an Asian adventure like none other.
You can find more information at Overseas Adventure Travel.
DATES: Feb 2 – 26, 2020, is an option
- Tour: $4995 with airfare
- Tour: $3595 without airfare
Past Trips and Events
If you missed some of the trips organized by Mature Friends, you might be interested in reading about what you missed. Or if you went on any of these wonderful trips, you might be interested in reliving the fun and adventure. If so, this section is for you!
Thailand in Spring 2019
Travel to Thailand—once called Siam—where independence, hospitality, and the traditional philosophy that "life is pleasure" casts a spell over every visitor.
Twelve Mature Friends returned from a sixteen-day adventure to Thailand on March 29. We started with a boat trip though the canals of Bangkok with a lunch that featured David Turner using a mortar and pestle to make red curry for our lunch. In Bangkok, we also visited the Grand Palace. We proceeded to Kanchanaburi, where we walked across the River Kwai Bridge and along the Hellfire Pass railroad constructed by World War II prisoners of war. We also visit the Kanchanaburi prisoner- of-war cemetery.
Then off to Sukhothai Province to visit historic ruins and a local school. On the way to Chiang Main, we stopped at roadside food booths for sticky rice and barbequed rats. A highlight of Chiang Mai was the elephant-care center, where we fed sugar cane to elephants and also washed them.
We ended the trip at the Golden Triangle in Chiang Rai, where we looked from Thailand across the Mekong River into Burma and Laos.
Pictures to come. Stay tuned!
— Bruce T.
Viking Homelands: April 28 – May 12, 2018
Eight Mature Friends embarked for fifteen days on Viking Ocean Cruises to Bergen, Norway, and disembark in Stockholm, Sweden. We will visit eight countries and dock at eleven ports of call. Accommodations on the Viking Sky consisted of a private veranda stateroom, including wine and beer with meals. The itinerary comprised eleven guided tours with ports of call that include Helsinki, Copenhagen, Berlin, Gdansk, and St. Petersburg.
A full account of this magnificent trip, with photos, will be forthcoming, so stay tuned.
Tacoma’s Big Three Museums: November, 2017On Thursday, November 9, we bused down to Tacoma to visit three Tacoma Museums, including the Museum of Glass, Tacoma Art Museum, and Washington State History Museum. Each participant chose what museums to see and paid his or her own entry fee.
Special exhibits for November at the Art Museum include “Two Centuries of Still-Life Painting,” “The Dynamic American West,” and “The Art of Framing.” The Museum of Glass showcased special exhibitions dedicated to the work of Dale Chihuly and the glass and steel sculptures of Albert Paley.
Lake Diablo Day Trip, 2017
On August 10, thirteen Mature Friends bused to Diablo Lake. Hop aboard and get a taste of what these tourists saw and experienced. Maybe you can schedule this tour some day.
Diablo Lake Tour
California Coastal Cruise, 2017Departing on April 11, seven Mature Friends sailed on the ten-night California Coastal Cruise departing from Vancouver, B.C. sailing at 4:30 p.m., we cruised down the coat for two days before arriving in Los Angeles, followed by a day on Catalina Island. After Catalina, we embarked for Santa Barbara for a day, ending up with an overnight stay in San Francisco. Then we sailed up the coast for two days before arriving back in Vancouver the morning of April 21.
Escape into Cuba
Five Mature Friends took off on an all gay tour with seven days in Cuba. They departed from Seattle and arrived in Havana in time for a group dinner.
The tour included a bus overview trip around the city and visits to a rum-bottling facility and a tobacco farm to see the cigar-making process. We also saw the unique mountains and caves in Vinales National Park. The highlights, though, were the explorations of the city we did on our own.
We saw the beautifully renovated plazas and streets in Old Havana (a UNESCO Heritage Site), strolled along the Malecon with hundreds of cell phone-toting Cubans, saw various museums, and reveled in the joy of riding in 1940s and 1950s vintage American car taxis. We all thoroughly enjoyed one another’s company, and it was a trip we will long remember.
Sail Lady Washington and Hawaiian Chieftain Sailing Ships
Avast, ye buccaneers! Last summer, our evening sailing on the Lady Washington and Hawaiian Chieftain got canceled because of a heavy rain and lightning storm that struck just before our sailing time. This year we tried again.
The three-hour cruise on Lake Washington in reproductions of eighteenth-century sailing ships features booming cannons, close quarter maneuvers, and the singing of sea shanties. Both ships have appeared in numerous movies and television shows. The ships will sailed on Saturday, September 3, at 2:00 p.m. from the docks at Carillon Point in Kirkland.
But don’t take my word for it. Read all about it and check out the pictures!
— President Bruce T.
The Cruise to Nowhere, September 16 – 23, 2017
The famous Cruise to Nowhere (actually it went somewhere) departed from Seattle with a one-day stop in Astoria, Oregon, then for two days in San Francisco, and finally one day in Victoria, B.C., before returning to Seattle. This voyage consisted of a full seven-day cruise on Royal Caribbean’s Explorer of the Seas with no airfare required.
Cruise to Nowhere
Rome and Tuscany, April 23 – May 8, 2016
This trip began with a week in Rome. We spent a week in the Eternal City with a gay guide escorting us to the major tourist sites, including ancient, renaissance, and contemporary Rome.
We spent the second week at a private villa in a small hill town in southern Tuscany. Day trips took us to Siena, the wine towns of Montepulciano (home of Brunello wine), Assisi, Pienza, Chiusi (Etruscan sites), Orvieto, the antique fair in Arezzo, and Monte Olivetti Maggiore (a major abbey with a large collection of frescoes by the Renaissance painter Sodoma).
The fabulous trip concluded with a day in Florence. Some travelers extended their tour for a day or more in Florence.
Weekend in Texas, October 30 – November 1, 2015
On Friday, October 30, nine Mature Friends flew on Alaska Airlines nonstop toSan Antonio. We spent a great time in this beautiful city over Day of the Dead (Halloween) weekend, staying at the traditional El Tropicano River Walk Hotel right on the banks of the famous River Walk.
Daily high temperatures hovered around 75º with cloudy and clear skies. San Antonio is a popular convention town and the most visited city in Texas. It has the Alamo, an easily walkable downtown with several museums, and an amazing San Antonio River, which meanders for miles and on which quiet tour boats glide. Great restaurant terraces line the route from which you can watch the lighted boats pass and hear Mariachi and jazz quietly echoing up the canyon. The natural ambiance is romantic and real. And . . .Remember the Alamo!
We spent a low-stress weekend mainly riding the hop-on-hop-off sight-seeing bus. Some in our group had booked a Halloween dinner cruise on the San Antonio River, but at the last minute the cruise got canceled due to heavy rains. Undaunted, the dinner guests got re-booked into a fine restaurant on the River Walk. Others of us went off on our own and also experienced fine dining on the River Walk. Two went to Landry’s Seafood and sat outside by the river. When the rain started, everybody scampered indoors . . . all except for two of us, who decided to stay put when the staff erected an umbrella over us.
Aside from the great food and beautiful scenery along the river banks, we enjoyed touring the Alamo, the San Antonio Museum of Art, the Tower of the Americas, La Villita, the Spanish Governor’s Palace, the Buckhorn Saloon and Museum, as well as many more sights. We could have spent a week and seen something new every day.
We flew home on Sunday evening after a full day of last-minute of sight-seeing. Everybody had a great time. Thank you, Jerry and Bob, for organizing this relaxing, enjoyable long weekend in Texas.
Cruising the San Juans 2013In September 2013, several Mature Friends set sail to spend a long weekend cruising the San Juan Islands in the northern part of Puget Sound. But don't listen to me, check out the trip for yourselves:
Boating through the San Juans
Reno Gambling TripTwenty-one people took off for our annual gambling trip on May 12. The package included round-trip airfare and accommodations at the El Dorado Resort Casino. We arrived in Reno shortly after 5:00 p.m., just in time for cocktail hour in the Roxy bar.
But to get the full story, come on and click the link and see some pictures of this relaxing three-day excursion.
Reno or Bust!
Grand Tour of China 2014In April 2014, about twenty Mature Friends set off for an adventure of a lifetime — touring China! To read about the trip, all we did, all we saw, please click the link:
Tour of ChinaAnd enjoy the pictures, too!
Spain and France 2014On October 12, 2014, twenty-four Mature Friends took off for Madrid, where they began a two-week tour of Northern Spain and Southern France. Please click the following link to see some of the sights they saw:
Tour of Spain and Southern France
Don’t forget to click the links in the story to see some pictures.
Cruise Down the Asian CoastAt the beginning of the Year of the Dragon, several Mature Friends took a cruise down the East Coast of Asia. We began in Hong Kong and ended up in Singapore. As with the tour of China, we saw several incredible sites, but without the hassle of unpacking and repacking, because our Holland-America ship acted as our home base. Check out this great cruise:
Cruise Down the Asian Coast
Cruise to AlaskaOn April 29, a few Mature Friends set off on a short cruise off the Alaskan coast to Ketchikan. Everybody had a great time, as usual on a Mature Friends’ voyage. Check out some of the pictures of this relaxing trip
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Theater and Music
This section lists local theater and music productions that might be of interest to Mature Friends.
Screening of “Dangerous Living”Our next screening is Sunday, September 15, at 3:00 p.m., hosted at Scarecrow Video.
Dangerous Living is a documentary on the LGBT experience in developing countries, while touching on human rights as a whole. The impetus for this film was the arrest of 52 gay Egyptians in 2001, even though there is no specific law against homosexuality in Egypt. It is the first film to explore gay issues in non-Western countries, interviewing LGBT activists from Honduras, Namibia, Pakistan, Vietnam, and the Philippines. Directed by John Scagliotti (After Stonewall). Release 2003.
The private viewing room will accommodate 30 people and is free to Mature Friends and Prime Timers and their guests. Scarecrow has concessions available for purchase. If you have questions, contact Roger M. —see newsletter for contact information.
5030 Roosevelt Way NE
— Roger M., Scarecrow Video coordinator
Shakespeare and Daedalus in AshlandThis year our trip will take place on September 13 – 16. Due to the smoke in August for the last two years, the Oregon Shakespeare Festival has scheduled the Daedalus AIDS Benefit in September rather than August, so we will be moving our trip to September as well, when we hope there will be less disruption of outdoor activities. We will see four plays, three by Shakespeare:
- As You Like It
- All’s Well that Ends Well
We will also see a play by Paula Vogel, Indecent, which presents the story of a ground breaking and scandalous Yiddish play produced in 1932 on Broadway.
We will also participate in the Daedalus Festival on September 16, including the semi-staged reading of a play related to gay themes or AIDS, and a talent show which includes the ever popular underwear contest, where teams from the company compete and you vote for the most interesting underwear [or person in the underwear] with your dollar bills. The cost will be around $400, which includes tickets to:
- The four plays and the two Daedalus Events
- A group dinner
- Happy hour cocktails each afternoon
The price does not include housing, transportation, or other meals.
The first play will be at 8:00 p.m. on Friday, September 13. For those interested I can try to get you tickets to Hairspray on that day at 1:30 p.m. Tickets to Hairspray will not have the group discount and will be on the order of $100 – $120 each, if I can get them.
Rooms will be reserved in the Stratford Inn for those who want them. You will pay directly for your room on departure, around $100 a night each for a double occupancy. There is not much discount for a single, but I can suggest more reasonable choices nearby for those wishing a single. The Stratford includes breakfast, an indoor pool, and Wi-Fi. It is a ten-minute walk to the theaters.
You will need to arrange your own transportation. It is about an eight-hour drive to Ashland, which is just fifteen miles from the California border, on I-5. Some of our participants fly. There are reasonable flights to Medford on Horizon, and ground transportation to Ashland is easily arranged, by either taxi or shuttle. It is about fifteen miles.
A deposit of $50 will reserve you a space. The remainder will be due in August.
There is a slight chance the lineup of plays will change. I have submitted our reservations, but they will not be confirmed until January. If there is a change, I will inform you in the February newsletter [and by email to those of you who have already reserved a spot].
See the newsletter for more details.
— Bruce B.
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